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    Here's how much Americans think families need to get by

    By Allison Linn, TODAY

    Americans think that a family of four would need to bring in a minimum of $58,000 a year, on average, just to get by in their community, a new Gallup survey finds.

    That’s more than double the 2012 poverty threshold for a family of four, which was around $24,000 a year, according to the latest data from the U.S. Census Bureau.

    The results are not far off from what Americans told Gallup when it asked a similar question in 2007, and experts say it’s consistent with long-term trends as well.

    Mark Rank, a professor of social welfare at Washington University in St. Louis, said Americans have for decades reported that the minimum families need to get by is two to three times the actual poverty thresholds.

    The thresholds themselves also have come under scrutiny from both the left and the right, with policymakers on both sides arguing they are a poor measure of how many people in this country are actually poor.

    The Gallup survey of about 1,000 Americans, which was released last week, asked Americans to name the smallest amount of money a family of four would need to make each year to get by in their own community. The data was collected in mid-April.

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    They found that people with higher incomes said a family of four would need a higher amount, on average, than those who have lower incomes. People who lived in the suburbs also named a higher amount, on average, than those who are living in cities or rural areas.

    Rank said it makes sense that the amount of money you think is needed to cover basic expenses would vary depending on where you live. The cost of living in the rural Midwest is likely much lower than in the metropolitan East, for example.

    He also noted that people’s expectations for how much money they need in order to cover what they consider basic needs tends to go up as they get wealthier.

    “What they’re considering necessary is going to vary between somebody who’s earning $20,000 versus somebody who’s earning $200,000,” he said.

    In addition, he noted, no matter how much money people make, they tend to think that they could use a little more to feel truly comfortable.

    “They’ll always say, ‘If I just had a little bit more to get by on,’” he said.

    The median – or midpoint – of household income for all households in the United States, regardless of size, was $50,054 in 2011, according to the latest government data available. The median – or midpoint – of the responses to the Gallup poll question about the family of four specifically also was $50,000.

    Related: 'By the grace of God:' How workers survive on $7.25 per hour 

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    $1500/mo rent in California is a low end house in the hood = 18,000/yr $1200/mo health insurance = 14,400/yr $670/mo payroll taxes = 8,040/yr $10/day per person $3.3/meal) food = $14,600 Whats the point of talking about gas, clothes utilities because the money just ran out.

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    2012
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    Experts debate the state of poverty in America

    By TODAY.com staff

    TODAY invited Nicholas Eberstadt of the American Enterprise Institute and Shawn Fremstad of the Center for Economic and Policy Research in for a chat on the poverty data that was released Wednesday.

    Both panelists were asked when politicians from both parties will take poverty seriously.

    Eberstadt said that politicians agree in the sense that the American government does devote hundreds of millions of dollars to government programs for the poor. But he argued that they aren’t taking more meaningful steps.

    “Democrats and Republicans agree rhetorically on this--but we can't seem to get the growth machine to be as inclusive as it was in the pre-globalization era,” he said.

    Said Fremstad: “The real issue in my view is too few good jobs. The poverty rate is largely determined to by the state of jobs and the economy, and the extent to which economic growth is broadly shared, so we need to work on those issues.”

    Here’s an archive of the chat:

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    Sage- individuals don't matter to our "leaders". Groups of people do. Notice how we're all categorized according to race, religion, sexual choice. We've spent untold billions on this issue since the mid-60's and the poverty levels are virtually the same. We also know that young people can, by and la …

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    2011
    7:27am, EST

    Good Graph Friday: That child care bill

    CLASP

    By Allison Linn, NBC News

    If you’re a working parent, chances are at some point you’ve bemoaned the high cost of child care.

    The lower your income, the more likely you are to have reason to complain.

    A recent graphic from CLASP, an advocacy group for low-income people, shows that families with working moms who live below the poverty line and have kids under 15 are spending 40 percent of their monthly income on child care expenses.

    That’s a more than 10 percentage point increase from 2002, according to CLASP.

    Both sets of data are based on information from the U.S. Census Bureau, and they exclude people who are getting child care for free or from a family member, government or charity program. The most recent data was released in the spring of 2010.

    Hannah Matthews, the director of child care and early education for CLASP, said it’s not clear why child care costs have increased so substantially for very low-income families. One hypothesis is that child care costs are going up while incomes are dropping or staying steady.

    The 40 percent figure is also very high in comparison to families who earn 200 percent above the poverty line, or more. Those families are paying just 7 percent of their monthly income in child care expenses.

    Matthews noted that many families in the 7 percent range also likely feel pained by that child care bill.

    “It’s 7 percent of their income and feels like such a large amount. It’s striking to think about what it feels like for a family that’s in the 40 percent chart there - what they’re dealing with just to make ends meet,” she said.

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    We used to value parents that stayed home with the kids. It was an easy choice to decide to raise my kids rather than let someone else do i

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  • 15
    Dec
    2011
    4:59am, EST

    'Dismal' prospects: 1 in 2 Americans are now poor or low income

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    Juan Morena sits on a Los Angeles, Calif., sidewalk as he waits for the St. Francis Center soup kitchen to open on Sept. 13.

     

    By Associated Press

    WASHINGTON - Squeezed by rising living costs, a record number of Americans — nearly 1 in 2 — have fallen into poverty or are scraping by on earnings that classify them as low income.

    The latest census data depict a middle class that's shrinking as unemployment stays high and the government's safety net frays. The new numbers follow years of stagnating wages for the middle class that have hurt millions of workers and families.


    "Safety net programs such as food stamps and tax credits kept poverty from rising even higher in 2010, but for many low-income families with work-related and medical expenses, they are considered too 'rich' to qualify," said Sheldon Danziger, a University of Michigan public policy professor who specializes in poverty.

    "The reality is that prospects for the poor and the near poor are dismal," he said. "If Congress and the states make further cuts, we can expect the number of poor and low-income families to rise for the next several years."

    • Study: 1 in 5 American children lives in poverty

    Congressional Republicans and Democrats are sparring over legislation that would renew a Social Security payroll tax cut, part of a year-end political showdown over economic priorities that could also trim unemployment benefits, freeze federal pay and reduce entitlement spending.

    Robert Rector, a senior research fellow at the conservative Heritage Foundation, questioned whether some people classified as poor or low-income actually suffer material hardship. He said that while safety-net programs have helped many Americans, they have gone too far, citing poor people who live in decent-size homes, drive cars and own wide-screen TVs.

    With nearly 14 million Americans unemployed, a new child welfare study finds one in five children are living in poverty. Nearly one in three live in homes where no parent works full-time year-round. NBC's Chris Jansing reports.

    "There's no doubt the recession has thrown a lot of people out of work and incomes have fallen," Rector said. "As we come out of recession, it will be important that these programs promote self-sufficiency rather than dependence and encourage people to look for work."

    Mayors in 29 cities say more than 1 in 4 people needing emergency food assistance did not receive it. Many middle-class Americans are dropping below the low-income threshold — roughly $45,000 for a family of four — because of pay cuts, a forced reduction of work hours or a spouse losing a job. Housing and child-care costs are consuming up to half of a family's income.

    States in the South and West had the highest shares of low-income families, including Arizona, New Mexico and South Carolina, which have scaled back or eliminated aid programs for the needy. By raw numbers, such families were most numerous in California and Texas, each with more than 1 million.

    The struggling Americans include Zenobia Bechtol, 18, in Austin, Texas, who earns minimum wage as a part-time pizza delivery driver. Bechtol and her 7-month-old baby were recently evicted from their bedbug-infested apartment after her boyfriend, an electrician, lost his job in the sluggish economy.

    After an 18-month job search, Bechtol's boyfriend now works as a waiter and the family of three is temporarily living with her mother.

    "We're paying my mom $200 a month for rent, and after diapers and formula and gas for work, we barely have enough money to spend," said Bechtol, a high school graduate who wants to go to college. "If it weren't for food stamps and other government money for families who need help, we wouldn't have been able to survive."

    • Major CEOs foresee no pickup in hiring

    About 97.3 million Americans fall into a low-income category, commonly defined as those earning between 100 and 199 percent of the poverty level, based on a new supplemental measure by the Census Bureau that is designed to provide a fuller picture of poverty. Together with the 49.1 million who fall below the poverty line and are counted as poor, they number 146.4 million, or 48 percent of the U.S. population. That's up by 4 million from 2009, the earliest numbers for the newly developed poverty measure.

    The new measure of poverty takes into account medical, commuting and other living costs. Doing that helped push the number of people below 200 percent of the poverty level up from 104 million, or 1 in 3 Americans, that was officially reported in September.

    Broken down by age, children were most likely to be poor or low-income — about 57 percent — followed by seniors over 65. By race and ethnicity, Hispanics topped the list at 73 percent, followed by blacks, Asians and non-Hispanic whites.

    Even by traditional measures, many working families are hurting.

    • We are the median: Mom and son scrimp and plan to get by

    Following the recession that began in late 2007, the share of working families who are low income has risen for three straight years to 31.2 percent, or 10.2 million. That proportion is the highest in at least a decade, up from 27 percent in 2002, according to a new analysis by the Working Poor Families Project and the Population Reference Bureau, a nonprofit research group based in Washington.

    Among low-income families, about one-third were considered poor while the remainder — 6.9 million — earned income just above the poverty line. Many states phase out eligibility for food stamps, Medicaid, tax credit and other government aid programs for low-income Americans as they approach 200 percent of the poverty level.

    The majority of low-income families — 62 percent — spent more than one-third of their earnings on housing, surpassing a common guideline for what is considered affordable. By some census surveys, child-care costs consume close to another one-fifth.

    Shrinking paychecks
    Paychecks for low-income families are shrinking. The inflation-adjusted average earnings for the bottom 20 percent of families have fallen from $16,788 in 1979 to just under $15,000, and earnings for the next 20 percent have remained flat at $37,000. In contrast, higher-income brackets had significant wage growth since 1979, with earnings for the top 5 percent of families climbing 64 percent to more than $313,000.

    A survey of 29 cities conducted by the U.S. Conference of Mayors being released Thursday points to a gloomy outlook for those on the lower end of the income scale.

    • Working-age poor population highest since '60s

    Many mayors cited the challenges of meeting increased demands for food assistance, expressing particular concern about possible cuts to federal programs such as food stamps and WIC, which assists low-income pregnant women and mothers. Unemployment led the list of causes of hunger in cities, followed by poverty, low wages and high housing costs.

    Across the 29 cities, about 27 percent of people needing emergency food aid did not receive it. Kansas City, Mo., Nashville, Tenn., Sacramento, Calif., and Trenton, N.J., were among the cities that pointed to increases in the cost of food and declining food donations, while Mayor Michael McGinn in Seattle cited an unexpected spike in food requests from immigrants and refugees, particularly from Somalia, Burma and Bhutan.

    Among those requesting emergency food assistance, 51 percent were in families, 26 percent were employed, 19 percent were elderly and 11 percent were homeless.

    "People who never thought they would need food are in need of help," said Mayor Sly James of Kansas City, Mo., who co-chairs a mayors' task force on hunger and homelessness.

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    2910 comments

    This was set up 10 years ago...we're just seeing it all reach critical mass now. Globalization is slow frying developed economies. Big corporations and the .5% that actually control the world make the money and play everyone else off for a limited pool of jobs. Nations cannot stop this - Big Busines …

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  • 21
    Sep
    2011
    7:27am, EDT

    A picture of poverty state by state

    By Allison Linn, NBC News

    A new interactive map from The Associated Press shows in stark relief how some states gained ground in the fight against poverty, particularly during the economic boom times of the late 1990s and early 2000s, before backtracking over the past few years.

    The graphic rendering of poverty data released by the U.S. Census last week also shows that some states are faring better than others when it comes to poverty. Still, not many states have escaped the recent economic malaise without some increase in the percentage of people struggling to make ends meet.

    “There are very few places that haven’t been affected by the last two recessions,” said Scott Allard, associate professor at the University of Chicago School of Social Service Administration and an expert on poverty.

    Allard notes that some of the states dealing with highest rates of poverty also are struggling with severe budget issues, which may make it harder to help those in need.

    “Many of the states that have some of the highest levels of poverty (are) struggling with making some of the most severe cuts to social programs,” he said.

    The nationwide poverty rate hit 15.1 percent last year, up from 14.3 percent in 2009, according to the Census Bureau.

    To view the changing landscape of poverty, hit the "play" button at upper left or slide the gray triangle from year to year.

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    2011
    3:11pm, EDT

    Census: It's crowded at Mom and Dad's

    By Patrick Rizzo

    Buried in Tuesday’s report from the Census Bureau on the growth of the nation’s poverty rate was a tidbit that had far-reaching connotations for the housing market and the broader economy:  The kids are still at home.

    The number of households “doubling up” by adding an additional adult who is not in school, a spouse or cohabitating partner rose to 21.8 million in 2010 from 19.7 million in 2007, prior to the recession. In percentage terms, doubled-up households rose to 18.3 percent in 2010 from 17 percent in 2007.

    Apparently, most of the increase came from young people who either never moved out of Mom and Dad’s or moved back in after college because they couldn’t find work. According to the bureau, 5.9 million people age 25 to 34 lived with their parents in the spring of 2011, vs. 4.7 million in 2007.

    Now why is that a problem for housing and the economy? If young people aren’t moving out and forming new households either on their own or after getting married, then they aren’t buying houses and filling them with appliances, furniture, potted plants, cats, dogs and Pampers.

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    This is normal in most other countries. Only in American do we call you a failure if you live at home with family members. Another way to make people get in over their heads because of peer pressure.    

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    2010
    3:41pm, EDT

    Good Graph Friday: The rich got richer ...

    The rich get richer and the poor get poorer, goes an old proverb. Now comes an anaysis of IRS data that seems to confirm it.

    While the financial meltdown of 2008 dealt a big setback for both rich and poor, those on the bottom rungs of the income ladder were set back further, according to the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities.

    The economic expansion from 2002 through 2007 helped boost most everyone's paychecks. But the top one percent, whose incomes rose nearly two-thirds, did a lot better than the bottom 90 percent, whose incomes were up just 4 percent. The Panic of 2008 sharply reversed that trend - clipping 20 percent off the earnings of the 1 percent richest while shaving 7 percent off the income for the bottom 90 percent. But even after the market meltdown, the top one percent was earning 30 percent more than in 2002 - while the bottom 90 percent lost ground by 4 percent.

    Over the longer term, the average pre-tax income for the bottom 90 percent is $900 lower than it was in 1979, according to the CBPP. That compares with gains of more than $700,000 during the same period for the upper one percent crust.

    The richest of the rich - the top .01 percent - also took a big hit during the 2008 meltdown - which clipped their income by 25 percent. But that still left them 68 percent ahead of where they were in 2002.

    Big losses in 2008 at the top of the money pile helped narrow the so-called "wealth gap" - but only slightly. That means the share of income flowing to the top one percent is still higher than it's been since 1929.

    As another proverb goes: "The more things change, the more they stay the same."

    For more graphs on the wealth gap, check out the full report.

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    Consolidating the banks to a few powerhouse banks like WellsFargo, BofA, Chase, Sachs and have conrol over all wealth worked out great, didn't it? Enjoy your fees...lol The politicians did it all under your noses....lol What a bunch of sheep

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