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Subscribe to RSSST. PAUL, Minn. — General Mills - the owner of Wheaties, Betty Crocker, Green Giant and other iconic American brands - said Thursday it opposes a proposed Minnesota constitutional amendment to ban gay marriage, the largest company in the state to come out against the measure so far.
"We do not believe the proposed constitutional amendment is in the best interests of our employees or our state economy — and as a Minnesota-based company we oppose it," Ken Charles, vice president of global diversity and inclusion for General Mills, wrote in a letter to employees and the public, the Star Tribune reported. "We value diversity. We value inclusion. We always have and we always will."
A company spokeswoman did not immediately return a call from The Associated Press requesting a copy of the letter.
"This will go down as one of the dumbest corporate PR stunts of all time," warned Brian Brown, president of the National Organization for Marriage, a group pushing for the amendment.
NOM has spearheaded campaigns against other pro-gay marriage corporations, including Starbucks.
Minnesota already bans gay marriage by statute, but gay marriage opponents have said putting the ban in the state constitution would make it harder for courts to undo it. Voters will decide the issue in November.
Minnesota for Marriage, another group pushing for the amendment's passage, accused General Mills of "pandering to a small but powerful interest group."
"By taking this position, General Mills is saying to Minnesotans and people all around the globe that marriage doesn't matter to them," Chairman John Helmberger said in a statement.
Executives from St. Jude Medical, RBC Wealth Management and Carlson Companies also have publicly opposed the proposal.
Businesses have found it can be risky to take sides on polarizing social issues. Target Corp. suffered a backlash two years ago after making a political donation to a Republican candidate for governor who opposed gay marriage. The company was criticized again earlier this month for selling gay pride T-shirts to raise money for a group working to defeat the gay marriage ban.
The Associated Press contributed to this report.
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I just gained some more respect for General Mills.
Yes.
As a former employee of General Mills I say "Good for them!". I know the employees there are very tolerant of others, and that reflects well for the company. Organizations like NOM and Minnesota for Marriage do not represent me, and clearly don't represent many others.
How will someone who is gay or lesbian getting married hurt your marriage?
General Mills is taking a stand against the ideas of the radical Republican right. If additional Corporations spoke out about issues it would keep the single creeps from making the public think that Gay is Bad.
I wonder if Rush will mention General Mills stand on Gay Marriage. I think not. He looks like he might enjoy Betty Crocker cookies.
yes. here, here...
Thank you for not being stupid, General Mills.
Good for General Mills, and if the State of Minnesota doesn't like it, then ti's time for GM to relocate to a state like Iowa that allows gay marriage.
Politicians need to keep their personal and religious beliefs out of politics. If they cannot do that, then it's time to toss their sorry and pathetic azzes out to the curb.
we have a GUARANTEED right of freedom of religion in the 1st amendment, deal with it. The sooner you on the left learn to accept the US CONSTITUTION, the sooner you'll be able to accept that you're NOT ther arbiters of rights of any person or group.
And the US Constitution prohibits individual religious beliefs from being made into law or public policy, much less infringe on the rights of others. You know, thatwhole separation of church and state thing.
Now the whole military's on board.
And WE have a GUARANTEED right of freedom FROM religion in the First Amendment -- deal with it. And we have a secular government that cannot use religion as a basis for ANY law in this country -- deal with it.
The sooner you conservaturds learn that the US Constitution applies to EVERY taxpaying, law-abiding citizen of this country (not just the ones you think are "worthy"), the sooner YOU'LL be able to accept that YOU'RE not the arbiters of who gets to have rights in this country.
Or maybe you won't accept it -- but that's YOUR problem.
You took the words right out of my mouth, Erin dear. ;-P
Ummmmmm... no-more-libs, the Constitution is not a means of exercising your religious rights all over the rest of us that don't want anything to do with your mythology. Your "religious freedom" has nothing to do with making sure everyone else, or anyone else, follows it.
What you said is patently incorrect, but very illuminating. It shows the rest of us the attitude of the so-called "christians" and ebangelicals, which is a woefully incorrect interpretation of our country's supreme law of the land.
I lost some, so I cancel you out.
Hey no-more-libs your statement makes exactly zero sense. WTF is wrong with you?
"The sooner you on the left learn to accept the US CONSTITUTION, the sooner you'll be able to accept that you're NOT their arbiters of rights of any person or group."
If I changed the left to right it actually would make perfect sense because we are not trying to take rights away from anyone. You can’t use the US Constitution to push your regressive religion puke on me or anyone else. You have the right to worship whatever you like which makes the U.S. a great country.
My problem with this is; Corporations aren't people, they are a whole bunch of people. Group opinion? Everyone at General Mills supports this?
And why does it matter?
General Mills is also conscious of the fact that it would lose tens of millions of customers in Canada, where same sex has been legal nationwide for 6 years, and where people have boycotted other brands and stores which backed anti gay candidates and backed anti same sex marriage measures in the United States. Canadians will boycott any such enterprise which panders to the anti-gay, anti-same sex marriage American mob in a heartbeat.
78% of Canadians (approx. 27,166,150 of 34,898,391 Canadians) support same sex marriage and almost as large a number, would boycott any company that panders to the anti-gay and anti-same sex lobby in the United States. If companies want to keep their Canadian customers buying their goods and going to their stores, they will support same sex marriage and gay rights, which the vast majority of straight, as well as gay Canadians support (and yes I'm straight and will be boycotting Target when it comes to Canada, as will millions of both straight and gay Canadians for it's support of an anti-gay candidate in the 2010 US election).
If General Mills had pandered to this Minnesota attack on civil rights, described here, they would lose 27 million customers in Canada in a heartbeat, as Target has.
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I agree, but Mitt thinks otherwise. In fact, he said “Corporations are people, my friend" at the Iowa state fair last August.
As someone who lives in Minnesota, I'm shocked we still have a ban on gay marriage. I read that Minneapolis was voted the most gay friendly city in America last year, and the twin cities are definitely tolerant of homosexuality in general with such a large college crowd (I graduated last year).
no-more-libs
-and so does the rest of the American people that have the right not to listen to your religious bs and have it being forced upon the rest of us.
End all this religious bs, and free the sheeple.
Many fortune 500 companies support ENDA and marriage equality - it's in their interest to do so both for the sake of their gay employees and for their own bottom line, since right now many are paying their gay employees a little extra to offset the extra taxes those employees pay on things like spousal health care benefits. Straight couples have the special privilege to be exempt from those taxes under federal law.
Increasingly, hate groups like the "National Organization for Marriage" and "Minnesota for Marriage" are finding themselves on the wrong side of history, just as the anti-miscegenists found themselves suddenly on the wrong side of history one fine day in June 45 years ago.
I guess the NOM and NFM people won't be eating their Cheerios for breakfast anymore.
I just don't understand why anyone would want to take rights away from anyone else.
Not eating thier Cheerios will hurt Minnesota worse than gay marriage will.
Yes of course Homo, time will tell, the only thing I dislike is keeping track of all the companies that General Mills owns..
But, I will, I just came back from checking to see what we have this is made by General Mills. 'I was horrified, to see that I had both Wheaties and several cans of Green Giant.
Wife says, that will be the end of both of those.
Archie,
LOL. I can't help but think your name should be Archie Bunker. (sorry if you're under 40 and don't get the reference)
I'm going to start buying an extra box of Cheerios to make up for the one you're not buying.
lol.
Sam, I too will by more from General Mills to offset @sshole Archie.
it will never be EQUALITY. It was never intended to be a man wedding a man and a woman wedding a woman. That's NOT equality, it's an ABHORRATION
JTM, sure thing snookums, got your reference, but fortunately I have zero concern for the opinions of the parasitical leftys and their homos side kicks.
All of you little leftys and your homo die kicks, buy some extra, lefts see how it works out.
Says who? And don't say "God" because he never said a word about it. You would think if being gay was such a HUGE issue for the Big Guy, he would have had Jesus bring it up while he was here.
I will NEVER buy cereal that ISN'T General Mills because of this. Way to stand on the right side of history, GM! :-)
Just My 2 Coppers, if it ain't in red ink, that don't matter to the so-called "christians" and ebangelicals. They just make it up and tell us The Jesus said it. Then they quote some verse from the bible (like I am ever gonna look THAT up) and throw their stones.
No homo.
Archie: It's OK if you finally want to admit your gay.
The fact that someone would stop supporting a company or buying their products because they care about the company supporting a group's rights is just asinine.
I am so sick of the righty/lefty hate swing. I believe we need to break the two parties up or add more parties because I am so sick of the this/that mentality of American politics. Have a mind of your own! The Bible does not say in the first verse of Genesis: ye shall take every single word in this book as literal fact to live by. Stop using religions that preach about love and acceptance for hate and stop acting like other's happiness will someone @!$%# yours up. If my gay's friends get married, guess what? My relationship with my fiance won't change and I will go to the weddings to support them in the same kind of happiness that my relationship brings to me.
It will be interesting to see the results of the voting. If it follows suit of all the other states that put the issue on the ballot, the gay interest group will not prevail. The gay forces seem to be a minority group with a big say, but that only works in states where the legislators make the ruling on this law not where it goes to the vote of the people. GM is making a risky move as people who are "pro one man one woman marriage" stance may decide to boycott GM and they probably won't pick up enough sales from the gay community to compensate.
It will be interesting to watch.
Ralph--I don't think Starbucks has suffered much from the "pro one man one woman marriage" "boycott." I doubt GM will notice any impact on their bottomline, either.
You are probably right, but look at the demographics of Starbucks compared to GM. Starbucks appeals to young, unmarried, professional people, many of whom may be gay. GM on the other hand, sees its demographics as families with young children that consume their cereal. It is that demographic that makes the difference. It may make no difference at all, but if it does, that would probably be the reason.
Interesting demographic analysis. I had no idea that parents with young were no longer dependent on caffinated beverages to make it through the work day and had gotten rid of all their "addicted to caffiene" related mugs, t-shirts, etc. I see quite a of wedding bands, strollers, etc, in my local starbucks.
Your next demographic fail is that only gay people care about gay marriage and would try to make an effort to offset any boycott. I'm straight, and father of two young children, and would go to a starbucks just to spite NOM.
Your final demographic fail is the assumption that parents of young children are the primary buyers of GM cereals like Trix and Cap'n Crunch. No semi-health conscious parent lets those in their house. In my experience, it's twenty-something stoners that normally move that off the shelves.
Ralph, GM just made a big mistake and lost me as a consumer. Now I know that I am just one person, but there are others that feel business has no business instilling their beliefs on us. So then I will instill my belief and not buy their products anymore. There are other companies that produce comparable goods. Big mistake on their part. There are probably hundreds of thousands of consumers that might have the same viewpoints as I do.
Ralph, he isn't really leaving General Mills. He said he was, but then he said he would as long as he could. So no worries...they will keep their bigoted customers too.
Who cares, the leftys and the homos can do it their way, it's their business, we will find out shortly, which way was the best, but I don't forgive, If General Mills changes their mind, too bad, I'm done with them.
jm-4135357 "but there are others that feel business has no business instilling their beliefs on us". how is GM instilling their belief on you? All they are saying is that the government has no right to instill their beliefs on you. Why don't you try boycotting the government and let us know how that works out for you
Yep, we are looking into hat too, homos.
really archie? Are you 12? calling everyone who disagrees with you homos? Grow up, silly troll.
Phillip Morris, the owner of Post cereals also offers employee benefits to same sex partners, as does Kellogs.
LOL. Your cereal choices are dwindling.
You're right justross, everybody knows that you should call people who disagree with you racists.
Archie,
You state that you "don't forgive" and you're done with General Mills. You call other posters names. I'm willing to bet you call yourself a Christian and sit in a pew every Sunday feeling self righteous. If I were as un-Christian as you, I'd call you a hypocrite.
Gollie:
Or you could just be mature, shut up, and move on. Honestly, so many trolls.
Devils Son, sunshine if there were four of you, you couldn't offset what I do.
You problem, homo?
You are dumber than me, smaller than me and a drone on the face of society.
Mn PAT------ Nope sorry lefty, I am not a christian, Pay me.
I just despise the scum bag drones/perversions of the biology, that call them selves, homos.
Guys, Don't Feed the Troll... just report and move on.
It has been proven scientifically that anyone that protests about gay folks as much as Archie is 100% gay themselves. It is their defense mechanism against anyone suspecting them.
A truly straight person really doesn't care one bit about what gay folks do. It doesn't intersect their life. If for some undogly reason I am hit on by a gay man, I'll just tell him I don't swing that way. No foul. I've been to plenty of gay bars with friends, mainly because of much better dance music at the time.
I equate Archie to the military neighbor in "American Beauty". Lots of folks in that position out there. Thankfully, the repeal of DADT will help with that.
Archie Murter banned, 9 collapsed comments in a week, none of them restored, most grenade-trolling other Viners. Miserable history.
General Mills makes several of their cereals gluten free. Since they made that move I've been buying more of their products. Now they come out with this news. Guess I'll go right on ahead and continue buying their products. :)
I'm a little shocked there's nobody screaming about the sanctity of marriage on this thread yet. Of course, the thread is young, and I'm sure soon someone will start trying to pretend that church has some kind of trademark rights on the word "marriage" and therefore reserves sole right to define what can and cannot be called a marriage.
Heck, they might even try to assert some kind "traditional/historical" view of marriage, flying in the face of the historical facts that show conclusively that marriage is an evolving institution, moving through the years from polygamy to monogamy, moving from male-dominated/women as property to equal partnerships, moving from prohibiting interracial marriages to accepting and embracing them, moving from a life-long committment to one that ends frequently in divorce. But hey, they'll still claim they are standing up for "traditional marriage."
i will NEVER, EVER, EVER buy another general mill's product. you can take that to the poor house general mills.
I will NEVER, EVER, EVER buy another general mills product for as long as I live, and you can take that to the poor house general mills.
Doubt it jm, but good luck trying.
Justgross, you are a little shocked that nobody is screaming about the sanctity of marriage. For what, so you can start a thread about ridiculing it. Come on, be a little more creative than that. You want to play poop's advocate, go ahead, but don't insult our intelligence. Now it is about my statement, right. Right. You are so predictable and plain.
IdahoSteve, as long as I can help it, I refuse to buy any product from now on that has the general mills logo, if I can help it. I will also look out for generics that this company makes.
Jim, you'll have to boycott most fortune 500 companies.....including Microsoft and Apple.
Come on jm...at least stick to your resolution for longer than 5 minutes. Post one at 7:09pm is "I will NEVER, EVER, EVER", then post 2 on subject at 7:14pm is "as long as I can help it, I won't buy another general mills product if I can help it".
If you won't commit to taking a stand against their EVIL ways, they will never learn.
jm--don't kid yourself that your ravings have broken any new ground.
By the way, good luck with your efforts to boycott companies that have come out in support of marriage equality. Did you type this on a computer using Windows? Microsoft has come out in support of marriage equality. Oh, wait, you're on a Mac? Too bad, Apple's right there with them. Planning on flying anywhere? Don't do it on a Boeing aircraft. Don't bother trying to get a cup of coffee anywhere other than your home, as well. Starbucks and Tully's, the two largest chains, have made public statements backing marriage equality.
You're a dinosaur, jm. Your ecosystem's collapsing and you're too slow to even realize it. Sure, before you are extinct, you'll roar a little more, maybe pick off some slow moving prey and generally be scary, but in few years, you'll just be a memory.
I don't frequent Starbuck's as much as I used to. You guys can rant and rave all you want, but in the end, it is what I believe that matters. Your will is nothing to me and you guys can keep trying to convince yourselves you are the brightest and smartest guys in the planet like JustGross. or smarter than Einstein or even Steve Jobs. Great job (no pun intended). You guys remind me of heckling women with nothing to do but spend time on cyberspace critiquing others points of view. Mumble amongst yourselves, I will make sure to avoid private mill's products, they just got a demotion from where I stand. Happy hunting guys.
jm--really? we're just a bunch of "heckling women with nothing to do but spend time on cyberspace critiquing others points of view"? And what, pray tell, do you think you're doing right now?
Oh, and just a quick misogyny flag--why is it you think you are insulting us more by putting "women" behind heckling? Do men not heckle, as you appear to be doing right now?
Skrek, well we'll see, won't we?
let's see how it works out, so far, we have been kind of kicked back, about this.
It will be good when people stop treating this as an issue and fostering an
environment of disrespect. Consenting adults that care for each other build
stable communities. The noisy and intolerant groups are used by political
parties as a distraction from critical national issues. These groups are not
the majority, they are a shield for political figures that cannot run on merit.
I support companies and people who choose to practice respect for
others as a better way of life for all. I'm a health and nutrition conscious
mom of 3, happily married to my husband of many years and will continue to be a General Mills consumer. I'm pleased to see they value strong communities and strong families.
"sanctity" is religious.
It's irrelevant to the Constitution. Read it. Jesus is NOT in there.
Its ok Jim-4135357
I'll double my purchase to off set yours.
Sure yoi will KREST. Hey, do gerbils react to the amy nitrate you use on yourselves prior to engaging in that NORMAL behavior of yours?? Isn't that animal cruelty to make one of them go into your never regions so that you can accomodate one another?? Are yout the cross dresser, or is it ONE OF YOUR statistically PROVEN HUNDREDS of others YOu "NORMAL" homos enage with the one who does it?? Or do you taje turns??
Does anyone who thinks they KNOW what homosexuals DO support the use of animals in the foreplay process???
Libs:
That's bestiality. Not homosexuality. Heterosexuals do the same thing, btw. Also nice to see you completely ignored homosexual WOMEN in your comment.
Maybe you should have finished middle school. You seem to have a lot of trouble spelling simple words.
Babies, kids come from a man and a woman. A marriage is a man and a woman. Marriage is the backbone of society.
Being gay is a lifestyle choice and many single parent households are made by a choice and is the breakdown of society.
Many people also choose not to have any children. That's the way it's been since the dawn of time. Yet society keeps moving along, so I guess it's not such a bad thing. We all make choices, and some of us are more tolerant of the choices others make than you (hdrake) seem to be. That is especially true when their choices don't affect us at all, like anyone else getting married.
When did marriage become the backbone of society?
Funny, I don't remember deciding to become gay. To say that it is a choice, is quite frankly, ignorant. Have a serious discussion with someone gay and you'll soon learn that our sexual orientation was imprinted on us for as long as we can remember. So, don't worry about our species ending or our society breaking down....everyone isn't suddenly going to choose to be gay.
Do us a favor hdrake, count how many times a straight person will have intercourse in their lifetime. Lets say twice a week for 40 years = 4160 times. How many kids do the average couple have? 2.5. So if we round up and say 3 kids result from having sex 4160 times, that means only 0.07% (can round to 0%) of the time a straight person had sex, the gender of the parter had any result. That means the rest of the time, their gender served nothing else than a physical attribute that they are attracted to. Much like nice eyes or hair.
Would you also not let a straight couple get married if one of them knew they were infertile? As for being the backbone of society, I hate to break this to you, but people dont need to be married to have children.
Here is hdrake's logic:
Only a man and woman can have a child. That child has to be heterosexual and christian. The terrible world full of homosexuals and muslims corrupt that perfect child to turn it evil.
No use arguing with these people...they are set in their ways. Boy were my parents upset when they had 4 children and every single on of them are in favor of equal rights for everyone. Change lies in the hands of the more tolerant youth of America.
Babies, kids come from a man and a woman. A marriage is a man and a woman. Marriage is the backbone of society.
Being gay is a lifestyle choice and many single parent households are made by a choice and is the breakdown of society.
Being gay is not a choice. You obviously have no idea what you are talking about. Read some psychology articles about it before you spout off stupidity.
Marriage is not the backbone of society. People can stay together without getting married and have kids. Marriage is just a creation of the churches and of the state.
Who cares where babies come from? Many kids are born out wedlock. Some are produced through artificial insemination. Lesbian couples can have kids without even having sex. Gay couples can simply adopt. If you don't believe in gay marriage then don't get one. It is that simple. But don't think you have the right to oppress a minority simply because you don't agree with them. That is not how it works.
I will grant you that! Marriage produces wonderful children always....
Klara Hitler née Pölzl (12 August 1860 – 21 December 1907) was an Austrian woman, the wife of Alois Hitler and the mother of Adolf Hitler.
Reproduction makes babies, no marraige required. This is such a personal issue that I don't understand what special interest groups, churches and government think they have any say in it. I have been married to one man for 30 years and all of our children came from reproduction, not marraige. Marraige is simply a sysmbol of our commitment to each other. Why would anyone want to think they have the right to deny anyone from making that commitment?
Hey, HDrake-
On the contrary! Being gay is NOT a choice, but being willfully ignorant and bigoted towards gay people is.
The only thing that is a 'backbone' in your rant is your bigotry towards gay people.
As for society 'breaking down', I strongly suspect is being caused by earnest and fervent fundamentalist religious freaks voting against their own economic interests, since they are easily being used as tools to promote the interests of the rich and powerful. That is destroying families in America...not a gay couple getting married.
Get a grip and re-think your super-flawed argument, or alternately-pop a cyanide pill and clean the gene pool of your idiocy. Either way, the world will be a better place.
If "Marriage is the backbone of society" then the ~50% divorce rate means our back is broken, so why do you even care anymore when you've already lost.
# 5, above:
Being gay isn't a lifestyle choice. I presume you're heterosexual; I hate to ask such a personal question, and I don't need an answer, but... did you choose one gender over another at some point in your life? Or did you always have an attraction to the opposite sex? No one consciously chooses such a thing. We are born to be attracted to/love as we do. Even a highly respected [and totally crazy, in my opinion] psychiatrist has recently recanted on his "research" to allegedly "cure" homosexuality. It isn't an illness, it doesn't require a cure. It isn't a choice.
You're clearly against gay marriage, [and gay unions/relationships of any kind] so surely you must know that two people of the same sex cannot procreate. You know; that "babies come from a man and a woman" thing you mentioned? How does single parenthood even factor into this equation? You're talking about two entirely different things. Gay people are not the ones who procreate "accidentally".
What does the legalization of gay marriage do to diminish the rights of all heterosexual couples? Absolutely nothing.
@ckneely, while I agree with your sentiment, I hate seeing the 50% stat. That stat has been proven over and over not accurate. It comes from a simple equation taking the number of marriages in one year and the number of divorces and dividing them. So if 10,000 people got married one year and 5,000 got divorced the same year, they say it is 50% divorce rate. This is not an accurate way to calculate it. What would happen if 5,000 people got married in 2012 and 5,000 got divorced in 2012? The stat would imply that all the people that got married, divorced each other the same year with a 100% divorce rate. The actual divorce rate is:
Marriage is a commitment, period. If you are married in a church under a religion that only acknowledges M&W in a marriage, so be it. But many are married with NO religious fabric attached. Are those marriages worthless?
Being gay is a choice, you say??? Tell that to all the families that have lost their children, grandchildren, brothers, sisters, nephews and nieces to suicide over their "choice".
AMBROSIA, sorry homos, if some one is infertile, they are.
If some one chooses not to have children they don't, that does not compare with a life style that makes you a drone on the face of society, at best and perversion of the biology at worst.
Archie Murter
I suppose using the word drone was some attempt at a subtle insult. Drones in insect society do all the work and guard the hive/nest ;).
I would think biology at its worst is the 500,000 single teen pregnancies per year in the US. Talk about a drain on society.
Kids is not a requirement for marriage, or vice versa.
Merely your opinion.
When did you choose to be straight?
Idaho, from your post, it look like it is still about 50%.
Krestow--- Perhaps you might want to spend a little more time on investigation.
It is not an insult, it is a statement of fact, life forms that live on the face of a society and produce nothing, are drones, we really don't need you and if all of you perverts dropped dead tomorrow it would likely be 6 or 7 weeks before any one noticed.
Try to understand, you homos are with out value, merit worth, you do nothing and have no value to a society.
Please kill yourself and get your nasty genes out of the pool.
Try to understand, you homos are with out value, merit worth, you do nothing and have no value to a society.
This is all your opinion. Gays do all the same things that regular people do except they are simply attracted to members of the same sex. Go live in a theocracy in the middle east if you hate gays so much. Get the hell out of the land of the free because you don't belong here.
Archie, # 5.17:
Let me help you here; you clearly need it.
drone:
noun
1. the male of the honeybee and other bees, stingless and making no honey.
2. a remote control mechanism, as a radio-controlled airplane or boat.
3. a person who lives on the labor of others; parasitic loafer.
4. a drudge.
Alternatively...
drone:
verb
1. to make a dull, continued, low, monotonous sound; hum; buzz.
2. to speak in a monotonous tone.
3. to proceed in a dull, monotonous manner
Hard telling, but based on your attempt at a follow up it would seem you're trying to say that gay people "live on the labor of others/parasitic loafers." [Definition 3, noun.]
I'd be interested in seeing real statistics on that, but I know they don't exist. There is nothing in your posts except for your blind hatred of things you don't understand. I don't know why you're so angry, but I do find it truly sad. It could be rooted in jealousy, or you may simply be terminally ignorant by choice, I can't say. It seems you're very, very young; teens have a tendency to use words like "homo" and the like, because their vocabularies aren't as developed as an adult's. Perhaps you'll realize if/when you mature that hatred only hurts you. It's like drinking poison and expecting the other person to die, honey.
But drones? Hardly. There are a number of extremely successful gay people in the world; they've made invaluable contributions in virtually every area from science to the arts, and they would indeed be sorely missed. Even the average, hard-working gay individual who lives a quiet life and works in a shoe store [for example] has friends and family in many cases, and they would be missed by those who love them. Oh, I'll bet you didn't think of that, huh? Some people, many people are accepting of things, particularly when those things are none of their business. We love people for who they are, we don't judge. Who are you to dare state that anyone should kill him/herself? You obviously aren't a Christian, so we can't blame that. No true Christian would say that.
With every bit of respect you are due, allow me to inform you that yours is a fail of the grandest scale. :) Oh, and as for the "drone" definition? Your posts on a subject that you're woefully incapable of discussing in a rational way come under the verb definition, # 3: "To proceed in a dull, monotonous manner."
Saying the same hateful things over and over again won't make them true, sweetie. They just make you look foolish.
Archie Murter
Obviously you don't know much about people. Next time a fire engine flies by, know that there are gay firemen, gay doctors gay road workers, gay nurses, gay pilots, gay rescue workers, gay physiotherapists.
Then we have gay marines, gay navy SEALs, gay air-force pilots, gay submariners; all there to support your rights.
SO from that list I am not seeing many drains on society nor I am seeing many so called drones.
Like the violinists playing on the sinking Titanic, mainstream media outlets like MSLGBT keep harping on this, and other utterly unimportant issues, while the country (and indeed, the world) burns.
Any Lindsey Lohan sightings being reported today ?
Maybe they'll see your post and only report on stories YOU care about. I hope you like sports because I want to read about the game.
Hmmmm... JTM, are you sure about that? There are a just as many gay folks that participate in sport as do straight folks, so you might wanna consider avoiding that do. LOL!!!!
PaulY... why republicans exist.
Well maybe their right about not wanting the courts to decide.. Wonder if NC courts will overturn their recent referendum on gay marriage..but then they do have their priorities in the south...
North Carolina —
Until 2005, bestiality was illegal in North Carolina; but then in 2005, the anti-bestiality law was ruled unconstitutional by the state court system, citing the fact that they infringed on people’s right to do what they want in the privacy of their homes.(even though the law is still on the books) it cannot be enforced.
I call BS!
Cite the case and link to the decision.
It is pathetic that you try to equate same sex marriage and bestiality.
State v. Whiteley, 616 S.E.2d 576, 577
But the case had nothing at all to do with beastiality... it had to do with NC's Crime Against Nature. The case was brought by a woman who contended that she only consented to sex with a man because she was drugged. As her consent negated a rape complaint, he was charged with Crime Against Nature instead because the woman was unconscious through most of it.
Whether or not zoophilia is legal or not in NC was answered by the arrest of a man in Jan, 2012 for sodomizing a dog. If it were legal, he would not have been arrested. http://www.wcti12.com/Man-Charged-With-Having-Sex-With-Dog/-/13530288/13623816/-/glddx4z/-/index.html
Just My 2 Coppers;
Thanks for the info.
"By taking this position, General Mills is saying to Minnesotans and people all around the globe that marriage doesn't matter to them."
Wow ! Nice view of Marriage GM . So can i have 3 Wives Now ? Or do i have to wait till in the Name of Diversity, Marriage is once again Redefined ?
Sounds more like GM simply said that marriage is important enough that all their employees should have access to it, gay or straight.
Apparently GM understands what equal protection of the law means, but you don't.
Laws or no laws, you still have to answer for your actions. No one gets out of life free and clear - it just does not happen. What you do in the privacy of your home is your own deal, no one but you can make those decisions. If you believe you are right then you are in your mind either way of the spectrum.
So basically you are saying??? Your post makes no sense. Are you saying we have to answer for our actions to a higher being regardless of the law? If so, isn't your relationship with your higher being your business? You won't be judged on the sins of others, just yours. Keep your personal relationship with your maker personal....
Stevey, we do keep our relationship with our maker personal. But he does tell us to let others know that actions have consequences, like AIDS, etc. So we;re just trying to HELP those who are trying to portray themselves as UPSTANDING people, while we find them abusing kids, LIKE NAMBLA and SANDUSKY, AND DAHMER, etc.
Libs:
First bestiality and now pedophilia. Seems you don't understand what it means to be a homosexual. Homosexuality is the attraction and desire towards the same sex. Age limit still applies.
Marriage is supposed to be between consenting adults. A child is not a consenting adult. A dog is not a consenting adult. A bucket is not a consenting adult.
I find it funny that you seem to think all of these things are consenting adults.
By the way, religion has absolutely NO PLACE in this discussion. Never has, never will. Keep your religion out of politics and businesses. They have enough trouble as it is.
No homo.
Timothy:
No bigots. No trolls.
Hate didn't work out for Komen so well imbecile.
So the trailer trash won't buy General Mills products, so what.
If GM made meth maybe it would affect them.
Stereotype much?
So sad you need to engage in "hate speech" against those that disagree with you.
Kudos to General Mills, St. Jude Medical, RBC Wealth Management and Carlson Companies!!!
1500 animal spiecies have been proven to practice homosexuality. Only one species discriminates against it.
What species would those be FLOWER?? Is there video of it, or would you want us to take your word for it?? See, I doubt your word would be sufficient, so I'm gonna need to see some data. We know how homos are apt to LIE to further their agenda, like the one from HARDVARD who told his homo pals to LIE so they could give blood, and the list goes on with the sodomy lobby's abilty to twist the facts and outright LIE when they're trying to get their way
no-more-libs,
There is a reason Google exists. Go find the answers you seek yourself instead of having someone else hand them to you.
@FC
Add Nuns on a Bus to your list.
"no-more-libs", you are internally very hateful of yourself and your life. Therefore you find another outlet where to express your inner self, to push down what you probably are deep down inside. Just admit it you are a closet case. Don't worry, I won't hate you.
Brad. I don't hate anyone. I'm just pointing out how auickly the hate comes out from the left when somethins is said they don't LIKE. It's true you know, your this phobe, then that phobe. It's really just telling the truth about a deviant behavior, like SANDUSKY, Dahmer, etc.
Libs:
Of course people are up in arms over this issue! Our FELLOW AMERICAN CITIZENS are having their rights violated and taken away. They deserve equal (not special) rights same as everybody else.
Good job General Mills! Thanks for supporting equality.
A partial list of animals who display homosexual behavior:
Mammals
Birds
Fish
Reptiles
Amphibians
Insects and other invertebrates
Yep, decent respectable human beings.
Sorry homo perverts, you will just, have to live with it.
Good for General Mills. Most people to include myself want diversity and wish to include all in the work force. If a manufacturer of consumer products hired only a narrow margin of a few certain types of people instead of hiring a cross section of the entire population then the company would actually suffer over time because it would lose its ability to relate to all people's wants, needs and ideas.
The ONLY thing that has ever turned me off about "diversity" programs of any sort is WHEN they are misused and result in actual "reverse discrimination" at work. A company can go too far in it's focus to hire minorities and gays to the point where straight people and/or white people are not given adequate job consideration. For example -If the combined minorities and gays make up 15% of the total local population in a certain city then in a truly diversified company they would have about 15% of the jobs. If they only have 5% of the jobs then something is wrong with that. Likewise, if they have 50% of the jobs (because the company maybe decided to staff the HR Department with only gays and minorities) then again, something is very wrong with that, too.
What about the homosexual child molesters?? Shouldn't NAMBLA ALSO be included in the LBGT designation??? Oh wait, they are !!! They're the G in LBGT.
See, deviancy has arrived and can NOW be addressed in a SINLGE term...LBGT.
Save alot of key strokes. Hey, do gerbils mind being put into your never regions so that you can loosen yourself up for what you degenerates do?? Is that considered homosexual foreplay to use animals to loosen yourselves up?? Or using amyl nitrate to assist in the process??? You 'people' are just full of things that OTHERS would never realize, unless they looked up what HOMOSEXUAL behavior ACTUALLY entails
Libs:
Since it seems you just won't leave the NAMBLA issue alone, I will tell you a little secret: the international lesbian and gay association banned nambla in 1994 and refuses to have any association with that organization.
NAMBLA SUPPORTS PEDOPHILIA! THEY DO NOT DEFINE AND ARE NOT THE MAJORITY OF THE HOMOSEXUAL COMMUNITY.
NAMBLA is a disgusting organization which should be disbanded. Leave NAMBLA out of this issue. They have no place here. Never have, never will.
Stop trying to compare homosexuals to criminals. There is a difference!
I think I'm going to go out and buy some cereal today.
Good for GM. I will make sure to check that I don't buy any of their cereal as my way to say I don't support gay marriage. Toche.
Make sure you know it is spelled "General Mills"...oh...and fun fact...it is "touché". Education wasn't lost on you I see....
Ernie:
Sad to see you support discrimination and ending the American Core Value of equal rights.
Well homos, you go buy lots and lets see how your three % make out, when the 40% quit buying their product.
Archie:
That measly 40% will be offset by the 54% of Americans who support homosexual marriage. You will not be missed.
Haven't we seen the damage government has done to America with minority special rights. For example, look at Affirmative Action for the American blacks. No other minority group gets special consideration or even wants it, except the blacks, now the gays and lesbians. AF was illegal 40 years ago and is still illegal today. It is another Democrat ploy to have more control over the minorities, but not actually giving a darn about their dilemma. Wake up America. Government MUST stay out of the private life of American citizens. Big Brother has done too much Destruction as it is. And more has followed the past 3.5 years and will continue until we put our foot down on the liberals. We have surely swayed away from what our forefathers fought so dearly for and accomplished, for some people to destroy so easily. It is always going to be something for some minority group. We need to put a stop to giving in over everyone whim.
What you have stated here means nothing. The government must only be in favor of equality under the law. It is about equal rights. Not special rights. End the oppression and allow equal marriage or ban all marriage recognition by the state.
So??? I don't get you. We shouldn't give in to the minorities. So when the black people wanted to marry white people, we should have said "sorry, we aren't giving in". When they wanted to vote, "sorry, we aren't giving in to your special interest". When girls wanted equal opportunity to play sports in school, we tell our daughters "sorry honey, but we already have too many protected classes, you are just trying to get special attention."
How is gay marriage giving in to something? It won't change a thing in your life, I promise.
To Fuzzy..""
What a hoot .."stop giving into every bodies whim " what like yours
Typical ignorant liberals. This is the reason America is in the trouble its in, lost ignorant sheep. Cannot think for themselves and understand even less. Government is not suppose to have the power it has. We can thank the Dem's and their lost followers! Republicans, don't have the Balls to do whats right.
Fuzzy I think what you lack is brains not balls.
Fuzzy:
So are you saying America should have no Teachers, Firefighters, or Police? They are all government workers (except for those who work for privately owned).
Supporting equality and ending discrimination should be the goal of all true Americans. Sorry to see you are not American enough to do what is right by supporting equality.
Fuzzy...to your statement about the last three and 1/2 years...bullsh-t.
Polka ------ Hey works for us, homo, we'll call it greebarb from now on.
Start om Greebarb and give your soul to God, before you do. Our patience is not endless, scumbags.
I don't know, or care, if homosexuality is a choice or not.
I do know that it's a mental illness that needs to be addressed.
If that is true then so is heterosexuality.
The American Medical Association disagrees with you.
Guess I'll have to take their word over yours, although I can tell you're an expert on homosexuality.
Based on your post, it's quite clear you don't know. But the APA disagrees with your claim.
It is illegitimate to vote the rights of others away. The state should have no power to undermine equality under the law. Allow gay marriage or ban all state recognition of marriage. The people don't have the power to vote gay marriage away.
Glad to see General Mills has the right attitude! Maybe in 10 years or so this won't even be an issue.
Correct, we will probably get Pi$$ed off enough to go for A constitutional amendment thaty will take all of your rights away from the homos.
Archie:
You make this up as you go, don't you?
Of course it will be defeated AGAIN. Mental note: DON'T purchase general mills products. Boycott them like the LEFT does when someone says or suggests ANYTHING they don't agree with.
Hipocrites. By the way Gen Mills, do you know homosexuals can't give blood accoring to the FDA Directive?? How will they get their blood tests that are required before marriage in most states? Or are they EXEMPT??? Do they get aids tests BEFORE or AFTER they get married??
You are trying to rationalize oppression with more oppression??? It is true that liberals are not the only anti-freedom people in this country.
Please embrace freedom and equality under the law. That would be the right thing. Not state sanctioned intolerance.
Hmm...most states require heterosexual couples to be given HIV literature when they apply for a marriage license, so yes, I think the literature will be given to homosexual couples as well.
Another fun fact...you say most states require a blood test, nope, only 4 do. Montana, Mississippi, Indiana and Connecticut. Or is 4 out of 50 most in your world?
One last fun fact to help you on your path to enlightenment: it is spelled hypocrites
no more libs--
While your idiocy about blood tests has already been mocked, it's worth pointing out two more ways in which you are a fool:
1. Blood tests and blood donation are two entirely separate things. An FDA directive that a gay man's blood cannot be transfused in to another person is not even in the same area code as whether or not his blood can be drawn for a test. How you can confuse the two things boggles the mind.
2. The FDA is reviewing that regulation and considering lifting it as a relic of bad science driven by discriminatory animus and out dated technological standards. Sure, when there were no reliable tests for HIV/AIDS, it made something resembling sense to exclude gay men. But lesbians? They have the lowest incident of HIV infection of any population, even lower than heterosexuals. And as testing improves, and infection rates in the gay community are in line with the straight community, it makes no sense to exclude a population with no outsized risk factors.
Way to go GM... equality for all! What a concept.
I beg to differ. I know several people that are lesbians and it was by choice. There is lot of people that have made gay or lesbians a choice for themselves.
Were they your ex-lovers? Because if so...I could see why they turned gay.
It doesn't matter if it's a choice or not, and the Supreme Court won't ask.
My "choices" are none of your business. Quit peeping in my windows.
To Fuzzy""""
What is it about homosexuality that you think is so cool and compelling.. that you would want to choose to be gay is it the.. fashion.. the sex.. people hating you that don't even know you .
Amunaka
Very gay pic of you lib. It seems to me that you are the one talking alot about the gays. You are reading your own writings, not mine. If your not queer you sure are leaning a lot that way. Then again you do look like a fag. Sorry dork I like women too much. Sorry you aren't man enough to handle a real woman, only your transvestite boyfriend. Good luck on your marriage!
To..Fuzzy"""
Thank you ..for being so active on a gay thread ...you bring real insight to your very narrow world view of things ...next
Fuzzy-0457, you're suspended for a week for violating #1 of the Code of Honor.
Marriage isn't a right conferred on anyone the government doesn't condone. Like those under a certain age can't be married, people in the same family can't marry one another, etc. So It's NOT a right to anyone who thinks they SHOULD BE ALLOWED to marry, now is it??
What is the sexual orinetation of most child molesters libs?? NAMBLA ring a bell with any of you libs??
I don't know about liberals but they seem to understand that arbitrarily denying marriage rights to adult humans isn't right. It isn't the same as trying to marry children...people that can't consent. As I said, give equality to all adults or deny it to all adults. Meaning ban all marriage performed by the state....heterosexual and homosexual.
The sexual orientation of most pedophiles is heterosexual. Get your facts "straight" before you spread your filth.
The straight pedophiles seem to be much more likely to murder the victim than the gay pedophiles, dont' they?
The distinction between a victim's gender and a perpetrator's sexual orientation is important because many child molesters don't really have an adult sexual orientation. They have never developed the capacity for mature sexual relationships with other adults, either men or women. Instead, their sexual attractions focus on children – boys, girls, or children of both sexes.
Pedophiles are just that...neither heterosexual or homosexual. Just like somebody that sexually abuses animals is a zoophile.
Heterosexual. It makes sense, given that the majority of people are heterosexual. It's also clear that sexual orientation has little or nothing to do with pedophilia.
"Like those under a certain age can't be married, people in the same family can't marry one another, etc"
Exactly, and no one can claim exclusion because no one else is allowed to do those things.
Straw man shot down. Try again.
NML,
Check out the 14th Amendment. It states that marriage is a civil right. That kind of makes your wining pointless really. Anyone blocking Homosexuals from a civil union (aka marriage) is breaking a constitutional amendment. Sad part is there are no consequences for doing so, there should be.
If we hetero's feel entitled to marriage why can't the Homosexuals? Because a little book says so? Try using that argument against the Supreme Court and see how long it takes them to kick you out of the room. Religion has no basis in our laws even though the constitution may have been. Our laws are based off of what is in the Constitution and the SCOTUS' interpretation of what is in it.
In it there is no reason that Gays should not be allowed to get married. Just give it up and accept that this whole anti-Gay business is going to fail as hard and the anti-Interracial groups did in the 70's, or as the Anti-Women groups before them, or the Anti-Civil Rights groups before them.
Not everyone needs to cling to a book to know their place in life.
Technically, the 14th Amendment says that equal protection of the law is a civil right. It was SCOTUS which said that marriage itself is a basic civil right.
What about bisexuals, are they ALSO born that way?? It's a lie to say ANYONE is born that way, they're NOT. It's a learned behavior. God does not condemn those he creates as he DOES homosexuals in BOTH the old and New Testaments.
He does NOT condemn those that are born with infirmaties, etc., so it's a LIE to suggest that ANYONE is born with the UNNATURAL behaviors that homosexuals engage in.
We KNOW transsexuals AREN'T born that way ALSO, don;t we?? Are they NORMAL?? What's ABNORMAL if homosexuals, bisexuals, transsexuals are NORMAL, what' that LEAVE as ABNORMAL???
Homosexuality is as natural as heterosexuality. No one "learns" their sexuality. The idea is nonsensical. And it is irrelevant to the idea that consenting adults should be treated equally under the law.
What really is normal? Sexuality like any trait runs a wide gamut, Your limited biblical interpretation does not work nor does your non existent condemnation in that famous book of fiction. If 90% of the world was homosexual would we be calling heteros abnormal?
If you want to form an argument, rule number one is to base it on something concrete, The bible does not qualify nor does your interpretation of what is on G*d's mind. By the way, it would seem your warped train of thought in this area is becoming the abnormal. Perhaps you better read some books of intelligence rather than the fantasy of the "good book"?
Not that it matters but....
Homsexuality is not mentioned in the Ten Commandments. So, I have to assume that it's not even a major sin in "God's" eyes, right? It didn't make the top 10. It's buried in there with the other "abominations"...like eating shellfish and cutting your sideburns.
It's not one of the REALLY BAD sins in the Ten Commandments....like murder or COVETING YOUR NEIGHBOR'S OX.
lol.
Yes, they are. Bisexuality is one of the four sexual orientations, along with: heterosexuality, homosexuality, and asexuality.
That's nice. Prove it! The APA would disagree with you too.
Prove there's a god to begin with.
You confuse behvior with orientation.
Strawman argument.
Born that way or choice.
Completely irrelevant. This will all ultimately be decided by the supreme court.
When it does, there will be no mention by the lawyers or the justices of whether it's a choice or not, because it doesn't matter if it's a choice or not.
What lifestyle I "choose" is none of your business. It doesn't matter if it is against your religion. I don't care about your religion. The government doesn't care about your religion.
American law allows for legal contracts between two people called "marriages". You can't allow that for some people and exclude others. It's unconstitutional.
Why can't I marry two people and my dog and my car?
Because nobody is allowed to enter into those kinds of contracts now, so you can't claim exclusion because you are not allowed to.
Take your bible and shove it up your tailpipe. It's meaningless to me, and you can't force me to live according to it's "principles". If I'm not hurting anyone else, it's none of your business.
Republicans need to stop peeping in other peoples windows.
Sam, why can't homosexuals give blood??? It has to do with the diseases they carry SAMMY. I know you libs don't like to talk about the diseases homosexuals are apt TO CARRY AND CONVEY to others, who are innocent, like Ryan White or Arthur Ashe, who got it from a blood transfusion from DONATED CONTAMINATED blood, from a HOMOSEXUAL that DIDN'T think he should be discriminated against in the ability to give blood.
But I guess the homosexual's morale is worth more than a few people's lives, RIGHT SAMMY????
Yeah Sam! Remember that straight people can't get diseases. I was always taught that because I am straight there is no risk of herpes, gonorrhea, HPV and even HIV. It is well known that only gay people can get diseases.
How do the people at the blood bank know if your homosexual? Better be careful dude, you might be getting GAY BLOOD and not EVEN KNOW IT.
Besides, I don't think the Supreme Court is going to decide whether homosexual can give blood or not.
Like "choice/genetic", it's Irrelevant to the argument. It's none of your business and the ban is unconstitutional.
you have the same right i do, to marry someone of the opposite sex!!!
To nomore""""
So does heterosexuality ...what's your point ...do you know how many deaths are caused by heterosexual sex how many genetic incurable diseases deformities physcological abnormaities that are passed on through heterosexual sex. how many mothers die during child birth ..how many are still born ..how many babies are born prematurely and the medical costs ..that it was heterosexual sex that created homosexuals...heterosexuals should just stop having sex and stop the cycle of death they breed....sound good...
Hang in homos, we are still deciding, we'll get back to you.
That's the argument the state of Virginia used in 1967, that everyone had the same right to marry a person of the same race as themselves.
They were wrong then, just as you are wrong today.
skrekk, if I'm from England should we change the law so I can drive on the left side of the road?
Are you saying we should not have changed the law to allow mixed-race couples to marry, merely because a few dumb bigots might be offended?
Or are you simply saying that some Americans should be 2nd-class citizens?
No, they are of the opposite sex.
The problem for bigots like you is that the government has no more legitimate an interest in the gender of your spouse than it does the race of your spouse. That's why you dumb bigots are losing in court every time.
Even worse, gender discrimination is subject to heightened scrutiny by a court.
Not sure why I'm a bigot. Just not sure why gay people need the right to marry someone of the same sex?
skrekk, I've enjoyed our discussion, you should not jump to conclusions, I may be gay, not a bigot???
RRadabaugh:
Being a bigot is not defined by sexuality.
Homosexuals deserve the same rights as everybody else. In other words, they should be allowed to marry whomever they want (regardless of gender) so long as that person is a consenting adult. Your argument of "they have the same rights; they can marry the opposite sex" is completely irrelevant to the homosexual marriage argument.
If you need a reason to give homosexuals the right to marry, then here you go: IT IS FOR THE BENEFIT OF THEIR CHILDREN.
I dunno...why do straight folks need to marry someone of the opposite sex?
I'm sure based on the logic you've used so far, that you'd think it OK if marriage were only permitted between people of the same sex, correct?
First, only non monogamous gays can't give blood. Gays who have been monogamous for 5 years can give blood.
Heterosexual people who have had hepatitis can't give blood though.
Heterosexual people who have hypertension (like me for the last 16 years) can no longer give blood, after 55 donations, for no other reason than having hypertension.
On a different note, Thursday, the province of Ontario added transgendered people to those that may not be discriminated against in their human rights legislation.
skrekk and rosupi you both prove a point. it's about the children, the goverment approves marriage to grow the tax base and grow families that will take care of themselves. I hope you both have loving parents and family?
WRONG. No state in the US requires proof of either the intent or ability to procreate in order to obtain a marriage license, which is why the elderly, the infertile, and those who do not wish to have children are allowed to marry.
And biologically speaking, marriage is not required for procreation. There are many children of unwed mothers who are living proof of this.
Even though your comment is flat wrong, the real question is why would you want to deny the various legal protections marriage offers to the children of gay couples? Why do you hate those children so much and seek to harm them?
Here's a list of the adverse impact same-sex marriage bans have on the children of gay couples:
http://action.familyequality.org/site/PageServer?pagename=AllChildren
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Suck on THAT, NOM! Kudos General Mills! Slowly but surely. This country will have to face what's in front of it, just like they did with the Civil Rights Movement. This is our generation's Civil Rights Movement and I'm proud to get to see its evolution in my lifetime.
whay can't homosexuals give blood Patty?? Is that discrimination too??? Or is it becuse the degenerate behavior makes them apt to contract diseases that most of would NOT contract as we don't engage in behavior that propogates the diseases.
But that's ok, right Pat??? They're allowed to do whatever they want, go and affect others by exposing us to their body fluids in pools, etc., because they're JUST NORMAL, right Pat??
Should someone with leporasy be permitted to marry also? And swim in public pools, where the disease can affect others like homosexuals can???
Yeah Patty! Remember that straight people can't get diseases. I was always taught that because I am straight there is no risk of herpes, gonorrhea, HPV and even HIV. It is well known that only gay people can get diseases.
Ummm, no more libs--are you aware of the fact that someone with leprosy (learn to spell) is not legally barred from marrying? And heterosexuals with HIV are not barred from marrying either.
"whay can't homosexuals give blood..."
Irrelevant, and immaterial. Will not be mentioned in court.
Irrelevant to homos maybe the rest of the world pays attention
the "rest of the world" will not be deciding it.