Does handing out unemployment benefits to out-of-work Americans discourage them from finding a job?
In an op-ed article in Monday’s Wall Street Journal, Harvard economist Robert Barro argues that the current unemployment rate would be 6.8 percent rather than 9.5 percent if the Obama administration hadn’t extended unemployment-insurance eligibility to up to 99 weeks from the standard 26 weeks.
Barro reckons the program “subsidizes unemployment, causing insufficient job-search, job-acceptance and levels of employment.” In other words, the extension of jobless benefits actually creates unemployment by discouraging people from going out and finding a new job.
It's an old argument, and a divisive one, as msnbc.com’s John Schoen pointed out in a thoughtful piece on the topic recently.
New York Times columnist Paul Krugman has argued that in the current economic environment there are simply no jobs for unemployed workers to find, with or without benefits.
Mychal Massie, a columnist for WorldNetDaily.com, and Mark Sawyer, a professor of political science at UCLA, debated the issue on CNBC today:
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Sooner or later it's going to have to end, something's gotta give. The jobs aren't coming back, better get use to it. People are going to have to learn to make do with less. The country just can't afford to keep paying people to sit home and do nothing.
Those lost jobs are most likely gone and Americans will have to adapt as we always have and make do with less. Gone are the days when a bachelors degree guaranteed you a decent income and a pronounced career path. Unfortunately, unions and factory workers have forced our economy into a service oriented corner by expecting to make 50-60K a year in an assembly line or other low-skilled job. If they had not gotten so greedy a lot of our manufacturing jobs would still be here. That said, they are not fully to blame. The pace of globalization and creation of new technologies have quickly and drastically changed our economies in unforseen ways that have allowed greed to do the damage we have witnessed in the last 5 years.
I have a masters, a steady job (i think), and only the unavoidable debt of a car, student loans, and a house. However, I am very worried about the collapse of your economy and hate sitting here watching Obama prod this country down the slippery slope of Socialism.
Oh my goodness!
First of all in many states there is NO 99 week extension of unemployment ... (especially in states where an incumbent Democratic Governor lies about unemployment number to get re-elected!) In many and in fact in most states unemployment is cut off aftyer a year!
Second unemployment is taxed. I was at the same job for over 15 years when I was fired illegally by a corrupt Democratic appointee who has since left to work for the Obama administration. In fact, the same sleezbag fired every college educated employee in my division (which regulates a toxic and corrupt industry) to hire the children of donors that have NO education and / or industry experience. Yet we wonder why companies like say AIG (there is your hint) went belly up and had to be bailed out? They are not being regulated because ALL of the people capable of regulating them got canned ...
Please note that I have applied for over 500 jobs (including entry level positions) and I have an advanced degree. I can't get hired! My life savings is GONE! By 2011 I will have to declare bankruptcy and hopefully sell my house if anyone will buy it ... in lieu of foreclosure. In addition, since I was responsible and have equity in my 12 year old home (which I cannot tap since I am unemployed) I am NOT eligible for any Obama's mortgage restructuring plans.
My unemployment expired after a year. I did not receive anywhere near 99 weeks. No-one does in my corrupt and ultra liberal home state. But trust me I have appealed and written to my representatives in Congress.
Even if I was still receiving unemployment ... I cannot live on 1300 a month. Heck, it costs 400 a month to keep the cheapest comprehensive health care policy which carries a 3000 deductible!
Our economy has tanked and it is a world wide phenomenon as evidenced by the goings on in places like Greece and Spain. We are being blackmailed by the arabs and we in an economic war with China and South America. We allow the Chinese (and ALL other counries) to impose tarrifs on all imports from the USA while we fail to implement ANY protective measures to help our own industries.
This problem with our economy is not caused by people who have lost thier jobs, through no fault of thier own, and who want to work more than you can possible imagine!
The problem is a world wide phenomenon resulting in part from our economic collapse and failure to regulate / prosecute corrupt banking / finance / insurance excutives in concert with our nation's absolute failure to implement any protective tarrifs like the Chinese impose on us ...
Money is flowing out of the USA primarily into China and Southe America and NOTHING is coming back in ...
Don't even get me started on the cash flow headed towards the Arabs ... who ALL just want to murder us all anyway ... and whether you are bright enough to realize or not, the muslims want all westernized women and any man who fails to convert DEAD!
People who have given thier lives to thier careers and were top workers are now unemployed ... they are your fellow Americans and they, make that we, are not the problem!
If our tech jobs were not outsourced to nations outside the US, there would be many jobs available. If corporations had an advantage to keeping their companies inside the US, there would be more jobs here. One of the last professions available is the medical profession. It will soon be saturated and having problems because the rest of society cannot afford to retain medical benefits. I could see this trend as soon as recruiting firms began to favor non-US workers with visas.
Here are 2 ways to cut unemployment.
1) Give every unemployed person a business license or a job on straight commission. Then pay them same unemployment that self employed person gets.
2) Every person receiving unemploymentis put into a labor pool, where small businesses pay an extra few $ per hour. The small businesses can get the things they need to get done but cannot afford to do.(clean a machine, paint a wall, do some books, make some phone calls) The unemployed gets a few extra $ to make like better. If they make the business more than it costs to keep them, the business will pay to keep them.
I find it curious that, the same people who bitch about no jobs are the same people who think business should be punished
How many of you who are against it have been unemployed for an extended period and have not had a job during this time in the economy?
I for one in the last 3 years have been unemployed 21 months total--let go twice--once by a mortgage banking company and next by a telecommunications company. In the process I lost both my houses, a total of 3 cars, claimed bankruptcy, and my credit is in ruins.
If you are an analyst with a nice job and have never experienced going from living in a nice house with your family to being divorced then evicted from an apartment and losing your car in the same week and moving in with a friend and her 3 kids in a tiny apartment because the State failed to send you an unemployment check for 12 weeks... and you don't know what its like to be hungry with an empty refrigerator, sitting in the dark for fear of using electricity, with no car to find a job, no internet to apply... and if you don't know what its like to have all the stuff you managed to keep from your divorce that was in a storage unit auctioned off because you couldn't pay the storage fee... and if you don't know what its like to live in a bad neighborhood and have the rest of what little you had completely stolen... and then have to borrow from your friends and family... get food from a food bank... wonder where your next meal is coming from...
Then... you have absolutely no business judging unemployed Americans. Go find a few and live a day in their shoes. This wasn't the first time I was unemployed in my career--just the worst. I have a BS and two AA Degrees with a lot of experience. It was hard for me to get a job at K-mart becuase I'm overqualified. The ones I qualifid for were all gone. I finally got a job at Lenscrafters making less than what I did on unemployment in hopes it would lead to something more. All the extra training I did to prepare for my periods of unemployment were useless because those jobs were gone too (passed the CBEST to substitute teach, worked for general contractors, etc).
This is a terrible time for the US. I found a job in my line of work finally... it has been 3 years since the insanity started. Although it will take me years to recover, I never want to go back. But... I do want the people who push papers all day and have had their job the last 2 years who criticize the unemployment benefits programs to give up their job and go work for McDonald's (if they are not too overqualified to get one) as a cashier for 6 months and vow to pay all their bills and food on their take home pay. The government will count you as employed so don't expect any help.
I just read all the comments regarding the unemployment issues. I just needed to reply and let BrokenSystem and niceguyexec know I could not have said it better. The people writting these columns are the people that have full time jobs and have never had to live on unemployment in their entire life. They have never had to wonder how to pay their next bill. These people have nothing better to do than critize the people they know nothing about. I have never heard of 99 weeks on unemployment , so they need to know the facts before they report on what they think.
Yes moron, they'll be left with nothing but a shopping cart and a card board box. If you think it's so easy to find a job, give up yours and look for work!
Most families cannot make due with minimum wage.
No way!!!! I want to work 6 months and get a free check for a year ++++ give me more I deserve it. I am being singled out because of "insert token card here" or what other reason can I throw in.
This is insurance. We paid for this insurance. Without it I would not be paying anything and your job would be gone as well.
Last week alone I sent out over 200 resumes and got one call for a interview. I was told I was overqualified for the job, but I know it was because I have some gray hair, you could see I was over qualified by looking at my resume. Why call me in to tell it to my face? I was CTO in my last job.
We are not getting hired by anyone because we would be a threat to present managers. Remember you rise to your level of incompetence. The last thing you want to do is hire your replacement.
Why work when you can sit at home and get paid for it? Pretty soon, we will have a whole generation of unhirable lazy people who are addicted to getting free handouts from the US government.
When will this end? How about creating some jobs for people instead of cutting government jobs? These politicians are so afraid to do the right thing nowadays, all they care about is getting votes by extending welfare.
Free handouts? Is that what America is all about? What happened to hard work and making this country stronger?
President Obama- is this the Change you wanted? No jobs, perpetual unemployment benefits, No future
you are so right they need to give up some of there money and stop going on vacations with the taxpapyers money.
But if your unemployed actually searching for work at age 50 and up good luck to you!! I lost my job at 52 wasn't until I was 57 did I get a fulltime (Low pay). That is how it works, hire the young and the older is shown the door. Right now I am 61 it scares to think what happens if I lose this job. I do have health insurance, some people are lazy, the 10% s is what the Military used to call them, but what about the other 90%?
This country needs jobs for all. Starving people isn't the way to do it.
Do you have a Job, Joe???
This is the standard right wing, rhetorical ideological BS… “If it makes sense to me it must be true.”
“Why work when you can sit at home and get paid for it???” Have you ever actually heard a jobless person say this? I haven't!!!
Matt, if you don't hear it, you're not listening. Put an end to UI benefit extensions and watch the uemployment rate decline. As an example, I reside in a community that TODAY has 300+ jobs available with 400 people drawing extended unemployment benefits because they think that we, the taxpayers, should subsidize them before they "take a loss" on returning to the economy and the capitalistic pig system that might cause their wages to be lower than pre-unemployment wages.
Why should we be responsible for this subsidy? If these jobs were filled, the employees would be paying into the system, earning wages that would then cycle through our local economy, etc. Instead, we're tagged with extended unemployment benefits - it's an unnecessary double whammy.
I hear ya, Mike. But, keep in mind it's not just the "older" applicant who's getting shafted. I'm 37 and I've not had a decent professional job for over 10 years. I was more secure professionally and financially when I was a paid intern fresh out of college. Today, I have to rely on freelance work (still) with no benefits of any kind. Prior to that, regardless of my post graduate degree and work experience, I was (and still am) given lots of excuses why I am not employable. The reality is no one wants to pay a living wage. Why hire me with good work ethic, a head on his shoulders, proven talent, when you can hire some schmuck (usually a woman) who'll work for a putrid hourly wage and do a poor job as a manager and in work quality.
As for people being lazy, f*ck you. I'm sure some are and do milk the system. But I've never been eligible for unemployment even though at times my crappy string of jobs didn't allow me to make ends meet. The system is set up that you have to be "all or nothing".
THe economy is gonna crash again. Houses remain way over-priced, no one is lending money, and you are getting shafted with lower wages and increased costs for simply necessities. (How is it that so much food is up .20 to 1.50 with a recession and lower gas prices?)
With jobs going overseas by the thousands, and all this "saved labor costs," where the f*ck is all this money in our economy? Right...in the pockets of the fat-cat business executive or man with the cash who reaps the dividends. But, rich in dividends sits on that cash and never spends it.
Sit home and collect Peloifare? No thank you. Ever since the Obama economy hit and the green energy company I was working for laid off most of its staff in August 2009, I have been driving hundreds of miles to find work. I have not collected unemployment one time since being laid off. Being 59 has not been a problem finding work.
job seeker - you are not any better of a person because you didn't take UI benefits. you were entitled to them and chose not to take them. I'm glad you are able to be so principled when it comes to unemployment; most can't afford that.
Joey, it's not a matter of principle. Why take unemployment when I can find a job? The truth is I can't afford NOT to work. Unemployment compensation only pays for food and not much else. Granted, driving hundreds of miles from home and living out of motels is no fun, but you do what you have to during a recession.
Cutting unemployment benefits may lower the official unemployment rate- but only because you're no longer counting the people whose benefits have run out. It does not mean that there are fewer unemployed people, and it does not mean that those people suddenly found jobs. We call them 'discouraged workers'- they've fallen off the roll but still cannot find jobs.
I live in Oregon, and we have the privilege of sharing with Michigan the dubious honor of having the highest unemployment rates in the nation. Oregon is currently at 10.5%. That is, on the overall. The Portland metro area is a little lower than that, but there's areas where the percentage is much higher. My son-in-law is one of those who's fallen off of the charts, as his unemployment ran out several months ago. His job went to India nearly two years ago, and he hasn't been able to find anything since. There are no jobs in their area, and they cannot afford to move. And I can't help them.
And BTW, just after my son-in-law lost his job, the company got a big, fat bailout check.
Gimmeeabreakoradrunk
You need to rethink that attitude. I wouldn't give you the time of day much less an interview. Ever wonder what people like you do to a company's moral? I don't know any employers that would want to find out!
Are you kidding me? Is that your attitude? Do you really think this is free hand-out? I can barely buy tissue paper, let alone pay my mortgage and feed my two children under unemployment. My employer laid me off while I was on maternity leave!!! I have two degrees in business and have worked steadily for over 20 years. For the first time in my life, I found myself unemployed and unable to make a future for my young children.
You evidently STILL have you job. I hope the shoe doesn't go on the other foot buddy! You'll be changing you tune really fast. Furthermore, the government is not giving out hand-outs or free welfare. Hardworking taxpayers have paid for this type of insurance and are entitled to it to cover at least their basic needs.
Joe, you are a schmoe.
How dare you call this free handouts! We paid into this fund all of our lives. I probably made more in one week than you made in 2 months. Not my job, my PROFESSION went overseas you douchebag.
I have a BS/MS in Comp Sci from top 50 schools but cant find work with 25 yrs experience? I made 6 figures and i want to live on handouts??? UI barely pays for half the mortgage. Seriously dude you should check yourself into a mental institution.
I want to work, I want my profession to come back. Until u walk a mile in someones shoes dont judge you will be next. i guarantee it.
obamama "seriously dude" sorry sometimes we have to do things we don't like or enjoy. But if working at the burger joint gets the bills paid just do it. Don't care about your bs degree many people have them and can't use them. My masters in Sanskrit isn't paying that well right now either get over it and find something that will WORK.
Yes, I have heard this several times. I know people who perpetually look for handouts and think "the government" or businesses should pay for everything -- health care, unemployment, jobless training, you name it. They refuse to come to terms with the fact that these benefits ultimately come out of taxpayers pockets. Governments generate revenue through taxes. That's how these programs get paid for. It's all finger pointing, blaming others, and insisting on redistribution of wealth. Give me, give me, give me. And take it from someone else's back pocket, whether it's the devilish "rich" or corporations.
But as others have said we have more than an attitude problem, we do have a government that lacks proper regulation, nepotism, lacks protection of our manufacturing jobs. http://www.bls.gov/fls/chartbook/section3.htm#chart3.1 US manufacturers have an average hourly cost of $30/hr, while in Mexico it's $3.91/hr, and in China as low as $.40/hr to $1.60 per hour.
It doesn't take a genius to figure out why manufacturing jobs and increasingly even service sector jobs are being outsourced and moved to other countries. With that great of a wage disparity I think our only option is to take a good hard look at tariffs on imports.
The stats that show how many job openings there are for each unemployed worker belies this article.
This sounds like Newt Gingrich all over again. I remember when he sponsored the 1996 Welfare Reform Act, which put so many welfare recipients out in the streets. He said he was freeing them from bondage, like he was Moses. Yah, from public housing to the local park bench. This is more of that mean-spirited right-wing hatred of working people and poor people. Unemployment insurance is exactly what its name implies - insurance for the unemployed, and when there's 10 people fighting over every job, it's unfair to punish the 9 who can't find a job due to the fact that there aren't enough jobs.
I'm been looking for a job since 2008 and have a part-time one but have been a few interviews the sad things is no one ever get bak to you to let you know why they didn't hire you of it f the got your application once you apply on line i have been to job fairs I have over 3o yrs of manufacturing experience even mamagement training and can't even get to the 1st step of an intervew I think once the figure out your age they don't respond they can tell by your yrs on the job so what do you think will ever happen it is too late to bring back the jobs but we need to thin about the USA before helping out other countries they don't want to help us we need to find a way to train the middle-age and baby boomers who still want to work.
Done that, HR won't hire someone in their late 40's and up, your working days are too short and your a burden if they have HC.
The job leaves, that is your fault? According to some it is, or you where lazy, you caused not the fact they moved for cheaper labor.
Well if your resume is one long run-on sentence, full of misspellings, incorrect grammar and no punctuation like your post is, no wonder you're not getting anywhere in your job search.
Oh ... you stupid ass! There is no spellcheck on this site. Furtermore, they only give you 5 minutes to make editions. This is an informal discussion and not a juried research paper. I have an advanced degree and yet there are most definitely errors (typographical) in my primary post. That does not change the fact that my resume is flawless. You are an out of touch turd! Heck, you may even be a chinese hacker working to further undermine our governmental policies and economy so we can be conquered ... get a clue!
I agree with all you said!!!
Ah, caught with most honourable pants down around ankles. So solly!
I recently got laid off from my 40 hr week job, but still have a weekend job for 16 hours a month. I get to keep the first $25 from my 2nd job, the rest is deducted from my unemployment check. My job search for a 40 hour a week job with insurance started the day I got laid off. I don't see how anyone can live on unemployment
AMEN! You cannot live on unemployment! And if you were responsible: got a fixed mortgage, and have even a penny of equity in your home then you cannot get any relief under the Obama plan to restructure mortgages. Only the irresponsible who bought outlandishly expensive homes with risky balloon mortgages can get any help. The middle class is screwed ...
Ditto on the AMEN. I've been in the work force paying taxes through the nose for over 30 years. Never once, until this recession and our current economic ***t hole. NEVER received one dime of any type of gov. assistance. I was downsized out of my good job, then laid off from a crappy 6.00 hr. job, then lost the last job at a convenience store, when it closed. My $150 weekly unemployment will not pay my modest mortgage and house ins, and very modest utilities. Yet 100's of job apps later, I have been told I have to hire a man, your overqualified, just BS. Yet I dont qualify for mort. refi, because I don't have an income even though I have never been late once on a pymt. I have worked 2 and 3 jobs at times in my life, grew up on a farm and have never been ashamed of any honest days work, but gray hair seems to be an obstacle even though I am fit and in good health, with excellent job history and references. I'll never see my 40K management position, which by the way took 13 years to work my way up in the company only to be shucked for big CEO and upper management bonuses to increase. America's economy will become much, much, worse, long before we see any light at the end of the tunnel. A lot more people besides myself, will be dining on tuna and lettuce. I feel for anyone having to seek unemployment, but nobody draws an UI check unless you were gainfully employed and paid in. There are a lot more people out of work than what the gov. and the media want to show. All of you badmouthing the unemployed better hope like hell you dont lose your job, believe me savings accounts will be gone in the blink of an eye. We all need to work to make gov. leaders accountable.
Barro's an idiot, as are most people who write for the WSJ editorial page.
Unemployment insurance isn't keeping people unemployed, the fact that there are 5 times more job seekers than there are jobs available is what keeps people unemployed.
http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2010/07/a-chart-that-screams-extend-unemployment-benefits/59662/
The ratio is 9 persons per job
ITA, Dicks...Barro and his buddy Mulligan in Chicago think unemployment is a big vacation.
Love to see them try to live on $600 every two weeks (my state's maximum benefit). Love to hear them say how much fun it is to wake up at night in a cold sweat with heart palpitations because you are afraid of what is going to happen if you can't find a job.
Sure, there are a few who are able to take the break, and certainly some who foolishly thought they'd max out unemployment and find a job when they were ready only to find that wasn't possible.
There are those that abuse every system...the manager that takes long lunches and the union guy that sleeps in his truck instead of working. People that show up at food pantries in nice cars. Peple that pay themselves 500 times what their employees make because, well, they can.
Should we punish the 95% who should be helped in order to get the 5% that milk the system?
And since most of the Republicans/starve the unemployed group profess to be Christian, what of Christ saying "whatsoever you do to the least of my brothers, that you do unto me?"
Have any of you ever been unemployed? I have! You have to apply to at least 2 jobs every week and document with name and address of employer, how you applied and the job title. The $305 per week I received while unemployed allowed me to keep up my house payment so my disabled husband and I were not out on the streets. I also found temporary jobs (packing Christmas ornaments, monitoring the salad bar at the local hospital) and this wage was subtracted from my unemployment. I have an MBA, 25 years of experience in the working world, and it still took me 9 months to find my current job. Ignorant people believe what liars tell them and then spread it without ever thinking!
Sorry you lost your job. Providing proof of job application is not a lot to ask of a benefits candidate.
BTW, why is $305/week mentioned when no one at a salaried position is paid every week? Either write $610/two weeks or $1220/month.
I have been unemployed over a year, have had 6 interviews, sent out about 250 or so resumes. If I had been offered a job I would have taken it, even if it meant taking a 25% or more CUT IN PAY or giving up benefits. BUT again, NO JOB OFFERS!!! NOT because I am unqualifed or incompetent or committed one of the 7 deadly interviewing sins, but because either I was being interviewed to meet their quota or the manager just didn't like me and hired the guy who could speak Chinese, though that wasn't in the job description or in the most recent case, the position was going to be filled, then the co. cut the depts budget and the position went back into the black hole. THERE are NO JOBS out there. It is taking an average of 15 or 16 MONTHS to find a job if you are in your 40's, with over 20 years experience and an advanced degree (MBA in my case). AND when you do send out your resume, you find that yours is one of 300 or more in the pile. IF you get your resume even looked at, you have survived the first step. Even having your resume hand delivered to the HR person or sent to the hiring manager doesn't help when they are overwhelmed.
ONLY the employed idiot economists think that we should NOT be getting benefits. Oh, did I mention I also work a PART TIME job making a bit more than minimum wage. I spend 40 hours a week looking for a job and about 15-18 hours a week working in retail. Can't get full time hours in retail, mostly all but management are PT and I went to graduate school to get out of retail. Once I find a full time job again, I figure I will spend at least half the year working a part time job, with my employers permission of course, for at least 3 years to make up in savings, retirement, ect what the last 14 months have taken away. AGAIN, At this rate I MAY NEVER be able to retire.
I am in exactly the same position ... except I was fired for politial reasons. In my State most employees are called "special appointees" allowing corrupt appointees to terminate you for no reason and give your job to a friend, neice, nephew or a donor's kid (with no education or experience.) I live in a pinko-commie State on the east coast.
Even in those states where the benefits are high, you would have needed to have been upper salary range to get the max amount. So if you were making $65K/yr and you are able to collect $25K on unemployment this sounds like a no brainer. I want my $65K job! Plus the 25K barely pays my mortgage.
Also you lose health care, 401K match and life insurance. Jobs are what we want, not to be unemployed. Its depressing and demoralizing. Suicides are on the rise.
There are simply no jobs for unemployed workers to find, with or without benefits????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Nonsense! Obama and Biden and the rest of his administration have said this Recovery Summer. What the hell is wrong with that crackpot wing nut Paul Krugman! If he can’t see all the positives that this administration has accomplished he should just keep quiet. What a hater!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n3IjhGxz0fU&feature=related
Only American companies who don't want to pay living wages and give any potential employees benefits like medical care and pensions are to blame for high unemployment. Why do you think so many transfer their labour operations to China?
GM- mother, baseball and apple pie and all that- sent their customer service group to India. And then collected a bailout. I don't think that ANY company that outsources jobs should be eligible for bailout or tax incentives or any of that twaddle. They're tearing apart American families.
It's not even about not wanting to pay a livable wage, the top brass want more money! IBM a couple years ago had a year of record profit then immediately outsourced thousands of employees so they could "effectively compete." How is making record profit for a company the size and age of IBM not competing well enough? My main beef with IBM was the offered to relocate their US employees to India with a one way ticket and a commensurate cut in wages appropriate for an associate in Bangalor (I believe it was Bangalor off the top of my head).
There is a class war, folks, and it's against the middle class.
Any company that received tarp money should have all the executives take a 50% pay cut because they failed in their duties to run their company and now they force thousands to be laid off or outsource jobs. If workers have to sacrifice with reduced benefits or layoffs the executives should also make sacrifices. At least the executives will still get paid. When you get laid off you get nothing. Make executives responsible for the poor performance for their company.
What's even more irritating is that IBM, Microsoft, Apple, GM and many other corporations, became so profitable, and large because working class AMERICAN'S purchased their products. Could you imagine the difference in Bill Gates wealth if he had to only sell his products initially to Mexico, India or China, now these countries are all the rage, for the corp. bottom line. Greed and gluttony the corporate way. These companies care nothing about the pitiful job scene in the US only the stock price and their bonuses. Big corps and Wall Street have been selling out Main street for a long, long, time. We better brace ourselves, because we've been sent down the river without a paddle, and our political system is in bed with the greedy enemy.
This thesis about unemployment insurance encouraging people not to seek work is and always has been absolute bull@!$%#. Unemployment ALWAYS pays less than whatever you were making at your job. This is a textbook example of blaming the victims. WHEN ARE WE GOING TO HOLD THE PERPETRATORS RESPONSIBLE?
And who are the perpetrators? Our selfish, corrupt, incompetent and irresponsible ruling class of political power brokers and capitalists!
Unemployment benefits - employers. There is brisk movement bringing positions such as call-in customer service back to the U.S. That's good right? And the conservative right should get all the credit. Thank you so much for legislating our decades of productivity gains to the rich to the point where we "once middle class Americans" are now available at wages competetive with places like India. Great work - but just really - please "retire"- mission accomplished. And a nod to the liberal left for their contribution - by becoming the "progressive but silent majority", surely the most photogenic too- no scratches or bruises - no fighters. Admittedly some sweat-stained shivering brows, brought on by the mere mention of the dreaded f-word (filibuster)
skokie57 wrote "And who are the perpetrators? Our selfish, corrupt, incompetent and irresponsible ruling class of political power brokers and capitalists!"
These were also the people that offered the job in the first place.
"This thesis about unemployment insurance encouraging people not to seek work is and always has been absolute bull@!$%#."
I knew several cases in which friends/aquaintances turned down jobs because they were holding out for something better. Jobless benefits relieves the financial pressure to accepting first position offered, so I'm inclined to believe the theory.
This thesis has been proven wrong over and over. Why would anyone with degree(s) want to collect peanuts and have no health care and basically no life? I love to work, have been working for many years and paid in more than i care to say into SS and UI. Now when i need a job no one wants me because i am an American not an Indian slave. Companies that outsource should be taxed to $#$######!!!!!!!
The customer call center jobs are being outsourced by INDIA to the US because even Indians dont want those low wages. This is not a good thing!!! Indians are taking all of the "value added" jobs that grow our economy and we are getting the dreg jobs back. When will this madness end? IF we dont have an economy where people can grow and prosper then we are going backwards..
You can tell from the responses who does and does not have a job. I guess if you were unemployed you would stay home and collect benefits. My husband just got a job after being unemployed for 1 1/2 year. Unemployment kept us from losing our home. Remember, we pay into the system for this insurance. If we are unemployed then we should be able to get the benefits and as long as necessary in tough economic times!
Ummm-m-m-m, EMPLOYERS pay into the unemployment system NOT the employees.
I would bet you NEVER saw unemployment benefits deducted from your check.
I am self-employed and working harder than ever because I cannot find decent employees! I have hired and fired so many idiots (of all ages) over the last 2 years - it's impossible!!!
Some of the people who come in to fill out applications have told me - "I'm just doing this to satisfy my unemployment requirements. I'm not interesting in working."
I guess I'm one of those selfish, corrupt, irresponsible ruling class power broker capitalist, that expect people to actually do some WORK for their paycheck!
I have to work to eat, why not my employees?
I don't believe a word you say. Are you paying your "employees" what they are worth?
Ummmmm-taxbite, there are three states that have both employers and employees pay into unemployment insurance. Alaska, New Jersey, and Pennsylvania. As one who lives in PA, I had UI deductions taken out of my checks for many, many years. My wife does as well.
knitter2279687 wrote "Remember, we pay into the system for this insurance. If we are unemployed then we should be able to get the benefits and as long as necessary in tough economic times!"
Employers do not pay enough into the system, so the American taxpayer covered the rest. How much should the rest of the working population be taxed to pay benefits for zero work in return? While you are grateful for the handout to save your house, why should the rest of society guarantee your mortgage payment?
Ummmmmm I pay into the UI system and yes saw it taken out of my checks. Ummmmm I live in one of the states you mentioned....Ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
What is amazing that supposedly legitimate news organizations would even cover a lie without pointing out what a lie this is. Since when did opinion substitute for facts? I'm employed (thank you very much), but when the statistics say there are a 5 to 1 ratio of seekers to jobs, that just doesn't lend itself to the opinion that people aren't looking does it? But lets just ignore the facts and go by what an 'expert' or important person who happens to work for a hack job like the Koch brothers has to say - that is the way things work according to these people - because I am rich, anything I say is a pearl of wisdom. They have some of those pearls of wisdom down on the farm in the pen with the cows - it's called bullsh**.
The ratio measures "seekers" to jobs. The entire controversy is that the seekers are completing applications for jobs that they would not accept.
Vincent, you have it backwards. Job seekers are completing applications for jobs that employers often have no intention of filling.
I suppose the meltdown of the auto industry here in Michigan must have been my lazy ass fault. I lost a very good job through no fault of my own or the owners of the automotive firm I worked for. The work we were hoping for to keep us going was outsourced overseas. The actual unemployment rate in Michigan I've heard is around 22%. No one I know looks forward to being laid-off. The notion we are all just lazy comes from people who have been lucky or have never gone through it. Maybe someday you'll have to wear my shoes and your eyes will be opened. Untill thin, keep believing that misinformation from those idiots from Fox news and the far right.
So, "doc"... knowing you were going to lose your job... as most all auto industry jobs have either moved to Mexico or moved over-seas... what did you do to prepare for losing your job? Did you try to get an education to make yourself marketable? Did you try to start your own business? Did you plan for the possibility that you may not have a job for a while? Or, as most GM "buy-out" employees did... did you spend like a drunken sailor, only to find that within a year you were out of money?????
Life is what you make of it!!! Hard work is the only way to really get ahead. In addition to the GM buy-outs and lump sums of money that they gave people, the Corporation should have also REQUIRED that employees receiving this benefit attend some type of money management seminar or investment training.
Pro-active you are the south end of a north-bound horse. So smug. Well I'll tell you- having notice ahead that you're going to lose your job does nothing for you if there simply aren't any jobs open. My son-in-law took his severance money and bought a couple terms of school with it. so he's got some more schooling. But the unemployment ran out, their savings are gone, and 'hard work' doesn't make job opportunities appear where there are none.
I kept my computer skills fresh and kept getting certifications at my own expense. For what??? The profession moved overseas and that is my fault???????? any interviews i get are to satisfy the requirements that they are interviewing Americans and that they are not good enough for the job, but a 25 yr old H1b is??? Seriously dude??????? Most H1bs i worked with were lazy loafers.
This administration is a job and industry killer
http://www.southcoasttoday.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20100829/NEWS/8290317
This guy is just one of boehner's paid flunkies, try getting a job at age 61 good luck, I've had several interviews and they all went well but they all ways hired a younger guy.I'm 61 and in good health don't look any where near 61 but it doesn't do any good companies want young people at low pay that will be there for 20 or more years, I can't say I blame them but where does it leave people like me who live in an area where actual unemployment is close to 20%.I know we can't keep paying forever but we need it until companies realy start hiring.I've never been without work and this is hard on me and my wife but I keep on trying and looking for work there just isn't any.
Maybe you should consider early retirement or star collecting social security early. With the business cycle more volitle, there will be more recessions that make it harder for people to find work who have been out for months.
boba - you got that right! I am in the same boat. Really sucks knowing that you are still able to contribute (profitably) to a company but they choose someone younger at the same pay you are willing to work for
Dan K -I am sure that a lot of companies look at the older workers and say to themselves "heck, they will want to retire soon anyhow, we will hire someone younger" + try proving age discrimination when there are 10 - 15 applicants for one job.
Social security is a supplement to your retirement not your sole source of income.
Sell your possessions and emigrate just as those did in leaving their home country and immigrating to America.
And go where genius? Most countries have strict immigration policies unlike here. The far east does not want us neither do the Arab countries. you sound retarded.
Only the full time employed would think the unemployed are lazy and enjoy living off unemployment benefits.
I got laid off over a year ago, due to the economic conditions and have looked for work to no avail. I hate to see folks in this situation but, would sometimes like to see these people that complain about we lazy people get laid off and see how they like it..
cut off unemployment? are you crazy? To all those who think thats the answer,perhaps you will change your mind.when someone breaks into your home out of desperation trying to feed their family.And perhaps you injure them,so they can sue you for damages!Causing you to be in their situation yourself.Is that what it'll take to make you understand.Just how serious this problem is.maybe praying for answers to joblessness and showing some compassion would be a better course of action.
There's a good argument - pay us money, or we'll take you down with us!
You may have to MOVE to get a job. This is a concept not too many people are willing to admit.
Where I am in south central Missouri - welfare and disability pays so good, people have been able to supplement their welfare & disability with 'cash' paying jobs.
People around here have been used to not having jobs for years! The difference now is that they cannot even get 'cash' jobs.
taxbite
just where does one move to,I've applied out of state for work and offered to pay my own way there for interviews and to relocate all to no avail. work is tight everyplace and most companies want to hire from within their own area if they are hiring at all and you can't realy blame them the local antamosity from hiring out of state when locals are unemployed would be bad.
I live in Chicago. Where should I move to?
My husband got laid off from his company. Actually, it went out of business. He looked for work for 7 weeks before finding a job that required that we relocate from NJ to NC. We removed our children from their school, left behind our friends, family, and church and used every penny we had saved to move. That was last September. In February of 2010, the new company he took a job with sadly told him they were sorry, but they were going to be going out of business also. He then applied one week later at another job. They assured him they were a Fortune 500 company and would be in business for a very long time. He went through the six week training program and one week before the training program ended, the owner came in and stated he was sorry, but the jobs were being outsourced to China and they could all go home. Now here we sit in NC as he job searches. ( I am self-employed so I am portable.) I'm supposed to uproot my child yet again and move her where? And where are we supposed to get the money to rent a moving van, trek cross country yet again, and pay deposits all over again? Everyone sitting behinf their pc with a job is so quick and fast to beat up on people who are honestly trying.
Thank you for telling your story. I know of people who did the same, and I am also reluctant to uproot my family for a job if i should be so lucky to get one. I know of many who sold their homes, possessions and left it all behind to chase a job and they were laid off and left out in the cold. If the job is an "at will" job it is NOT worth it to move for it unless they pay the expenses. Good luck with that. Yes the people with jobs are quick to judge. They have just been LUCKY. My SIL is a nurse, never unemployed. I have a far superior education but she is in the "hot" field FOR NOW. Let us see in a few years how things shake out. I am sure that alot of people in the catbird seat now will be crying in their soup! Good.
There are no jobs. That's what keeps people unemployed. Just look at the job section in the newspaper. The only things there are employment agencies pretending to have jobs and commission-only sales jobs to try to selling things that won't sell. Before offshoring started the job section of the Sunday Houston Chronicle was an inch thick and it was full of ads for good paying jobs with wonderful benefits. Now there's nothing.
Regards, The Old Prospector
One can tell the brash, arrogant comments coming from those who are: probably young, most definitely employed, and... never been unemployed when their paycheck mattered to more than themselves.
My words for you: "You time will come."
1. You WILL get older.
2. The Economy operates in repeating cycles, as you will painfully learn. Your recession(s) will come when you are much older.
3. You'll get your taste of frustration and fear. Your empathy then will be too late.
I'm not a younger worker, but it's easy to understand them. Most of the distaste is due to the larger tax burden to be borne by the younger generation and paid for the rest of their working lives in higher taxes. With 2/3 of the current national budget spent on entitlements, younger workers are upset at those receiving their unearned benefits. Current older workers did not contribute 2/3 of their taxes in this way.
26 weeks is enough 99 weeks is absolutly crazy obama should have put the last 33 billion into the housing market if he would have extended the tax credit for buying a home it would have put alot more people back to work because when people buy homes they have to fill those homes with furniture and everything else it takes to make a home and the construction industry would need people to build those homes and all the manufacturers that put in windows, plumbing,electrical,cement ,roofs, flooring,painters,hvac,framers,sheet metal,plasterers,graders, and so on there will not be any jobs out there until the housing market comes back around and gets all those people back to work and able to afford to houses to keep the cycle going
For those that have worked and are now unemployed, i would rather have a paycheck from a job then to have an unemployment check and no job and I am sure that 95% of the unemployed feel the same. I am wondering where the jobs are that they keep claiming they have created? They claim the numbers go down, but as I see it, the numbers go down because those people are done with the eligibility to drawn unemployment. When they stop filing the numbers go down. Give the companies the incentive to hire, ie: tax breaks and such....